The Prison of Argument - Part 1

January 22, 2005

It won't make sense until you become a mystic.

The thing that is really interesting, if you guys here right now or anyone out there wants to pay attention is, the reason that it is sometimes difficult to hear things is because you have some kind of argument. I was just thinking tonight when I was taking a shower how lucky Al Martin was to have gone to federal prison. Don't you think you were lucky to have had that experience in this lifetime Al? Do you think it gave you the ability to see what people that argue do to themselves versus people that just listen in life? Is there a difference? In Britain it is called the pond: the distance between New York and the British Isles. Do you think there is that great of a distance, between those people that listen and those that argue? You saw it in prison. Tell everyone what it was like, the difference between a listening person and one that is arguing, just from your experiences.

Al M.: You are thrown into a situation where you are forced to live with people that you would not normally associate with on the outside. There are people who argue a lot on the outside but you can get away from them. In prison, you are forced to live with them. And they argue and argue and argue.

Corky: I think the only way you could get out of it is if you had blue or green skin. Those people don't get into it. Did you see any blue ones in there? Those are the dead guys that are lying on the floor. They don't argue anymore. They gave up the argument.

Beyond being put with people that argue Al, did you see people in prison who did not argue?

Al M.: Yeah, they were the ones who were smiling and laughing and saying, "I'm in prison and so what? I'm still a human."

Corky: Were they sort of celebrating? Celebrating their life, no matter where they were and they were not arguing. Were they able to listen? Those were the listeners. Were the arguers always talking, in their minds? Their mind was always going. The listeners were sort of a more silent type of people, the non-arguers.

Al M.: They were the most alive people. The most colorful people. If there was a heaven, you would like to go because they were there.

Corky: But they were there in federal prison. Once before you said that there was not much difference between being in there and being out here, it is just a different type of prison in reality. You have a really good perspective on that, don't you think?

Al M.: Yeah, I think out here is much worse.

Corky: Don't you think you were lucky sort of to have that opportunity in this lifetime to do that?

Al M.: Maybe in time I will see that what you are saying is true.

Corky: Yeah, you know everybody has had times to be incarcerated in one of their incarnations in one form or another. Everybody had an opportunity probably to be a slave or whatever to get to this point of human-kindness, or you will get an opportunity. There are very few people that digress in evolution. It is very difficult to digress unless you get a real argument on. Al, can you see from being in prison, if you remember back, how those with the greatest arguments on could have the possibility of going backwards in evolution? Not that they are going to but just the possibility that they could go backwards, or the ones that are happy and listening could go backwards? Which one of the two has the greater possibility of turning into an animal?

Al M.: A lot of them are arguing with their destiny, that they are in prison because they were destined to be in prison and I'm not sure what you are asking.

Corky: Do you think that the people that were arguing in prison, the ones that really had a mad on, and were really arguing, are more probable of digressing in evolution, going backwards? Rather than the person that was happy with a smile on, listening? Which one would be more probable to go backwards or forwards in evolution?

Al M.: The ones who were arguing were blaming everybody but themselves for their situation, for their life. They argued that they were dealt a bad deck or a bad hand.

Corky: It was their mother's fault.

Al M.: The ones that weren't arguing were saying "So what?"

Corky: It was their father's fault. It was their parents' fault, their sister's fault, their brother's fault. It was always somebody else's fault. It was the white man's fault, or the black man's fault, or the yellow man's fault, or the green man's fault, or the blue man's fault, or the woman's fault, or the son's fault, or the daughter's fault, or the earthquake's fault, it was somebody else's fault besides their own destiny. So their argument set them outside of themselves in a madness. It is an insanity. A subtle insanity. Do you see how the word mad, and insane are so closely related in jargon, Shad? They used to say in the old days that they put people in the mad house, the insane asylum, the "mad" house. Mad. Do you see how they are related? Tell us how they are related.

Shad: I think they both involve arguments. When you are mad you are in an argument against something, and when you are insane you are in an argument against something. It is something you refuse to get over, where you just can't let go of it.

Corky: Is it a self-created thing?

Shad: Oh yeah. It is a decision, a choice on a position that you take.

Corky: Have you ever seen people standing on the street corner that are insane, that are mad? What do they do? They fight illusions don't they?

Shad: They fight with something that isn't there, or the telephone pole is just in the wrong place, and so they are pissed.

Corky: And so they are in a fight, and so they are mad. Don't you think wars are insanity itself? There is the fog of war that everyone has heard of, where the guys on their own side shoot the guy right next to them and stuff like that. Did you know that a third of the casualties in Vietnam were friendly fire? Why? They were mad, they were insane. If you don't want to get thrown out of the helicopters, you better shoot a bunch of kids and Buddhist monks and stuff like that right? The fog of war. Wow. Do you think that there is a battlefield out there going on in Salt Lake City, Al Martin just like the battlefield was in prison?

Al M.: Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys because it is much easier in prison than it is out here. Corky: But you are out here right now, you are in this prison.

Al M.: Then I will have to meditate more.

Corky: Did you get a chance to meditate in there?

Al M.: Yeah, I did.

Corky: Aren't you lucky that you got to learn it before you went? Do you remember when I came to the salt lake county jail and brought you the Summum book? Before you went to federal prison, so you could meditate. Do you know what I had to do to get that book to you? And that was like changing the constitution of the State of Utah to get that book to you, because they only let bibles go into prison, they don't let the book of Summum go through. You said one time that Chris was lucky that we talked to him during class. Do you remember saying that?

Al M.: Yeah. I remember saying don't piss Chris off because he might not come back again.

Corky: You said he was lucky.

Al M.: I did say he was lucky.

Corky: Do you think that he thinks he is lucky? You know there is this river of life, it is really interesting, it's called "as above so below": the law of correspondence. The raindrops come out of the ocean and they come up and land on the ground and they do life up there for however long they do it. But eventually they all end up in the stream in the river and go back. But if you don't get involved in it, if you never get involved in that process of coming out of the ocean and going up to the land, you can never become a rose. Because you are stuck. You are in an argument. You have created a prison that stops you from doing it. If you don't get involved in coming out of the ocean and going to the land and being born as a rose, or being born as a tree, or being born, you create a prison of some kind of argument, you imprison yourself some place. You create a dam. Everybody has heard that word before, dam, or blockage of your participation in creation itself. And you saw lots of those people in prison didn't you Al? That created a dam? That were in an argument?

Al M.: I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

Corky: Don't you think you were lucky to have done that? To be able to be here, and have done that, to be able to look back on it and see the perspective of it.

Al M.: To be honest, I think it was a good thing, but it has to be a few more days before I can appreciate it.

Corky: Just think of the education you got, of how not to create a dam. It is sort of like your mom is spanking you as a little kid, saying don't jump into the fire it burns you up. If you look at it that way, it is sort of a good education. Get a hold of yourself. Become a master of yourself. Master yourself.

Look at what just happened on the planet, a great tsunami took place. Over 200,000 people died, they say. In just less than six hours, just gone like that. It affected people from women that were pregnant and the baby was never born, all the way to very old people in their 80's and 90's that died in it. But it was just a moment in time. Just a second of the billions and billions of people that have just incarnated on this one planet, out of the billions and billions of planets, out of the billions of universes, out of the billions of cosmoses.

Al M.: I think what you are saying is if you can remember all your past lives with all the experiences, that you would stay in this moment.

Corky: I think exactly what you said is perfect, but I would just say it a little tiny bit differently. If you can feel in your essence, your essence, if you know your essence, because it is not in your mind, I think some people call it the akashic records or whatever they call those things. The records within your essence, those impressions, those vibrations that were set on your essence when it came out of creation itself and began the journey out of the ocean, to the many places that it landed in this universe. But if you can feel because it's not a memory, it is a feeling. Memory is in the mind, memory is in thought.

It is not a thought, it is not in the thought of your mind, it is in a feeling of your essence, it is in that record, it is in an imprint on your being. And most people never get into their being because they are so lost in their thoughts. They are driven in life by their thoughts and their propensities as it says in The Tibetan Book of the Dead and The Egyptian Book of the Dead. Everybody has these mental propensities. In this state of evolution, I would say, it is very unfair to yourself to allow yourself to get caught up in your genetic propensities, in your memories. It is very unfair to yourself to get caught up in that. Because you get stuck in a dogma when you do that.

I was listening to NPR today, it was unbelievable. There was a young man telling this story about how he was raised and he blamed everything on his parents. I cannot remember the name of the show, but he was talking about how he was able to blame everything on his father, and one of the boys at this special school they went to, it was a private school like Bernie went to except the Rabbi taught the school. He said one of the boys' fathers died, and the reason he died is because the boy walked four steps forward on the wrong day with his yamaka on, and at the same time he was saying bad things about his father, so he had a heart attack. If you could get behind the story that he was telling, it was unbelievable. It was out of the Torah.

Al M.: I was destined to go to prison. When I was young, I knew I was going to go to prison. My life is already painted, it is under destiny.

Corky: But you know what? There is a celebration. You can escape it, the prison if you stop thinking. When you really meditate, it is the only time you can escape destiny. It won't make sense until you become a mystic. It is not a thought. It is not even an awareness, it is a state of consciousness. Once you are there, you know you are there. To be honest with you guys, I didn't write this down before I came to class. I didn't even think about what we were going to discuss tonight. I am not talking from my mind. The words that you hear, coming from the lips of this body, are not coming out of the person you believe you see. They are coming out of mysticism. They are coming out of the nothingness. They are coming out of a transcendent state. Beyond the opposites. They are coming out of a Buddha. There are lots of Buddhas, billions of them, trillions times the tenth power. But if you were trying to tell that to hermes the frog in the pond, it would be very difficult because he does not normally communicate with Buddhas. He is doing the frog in the pond. Or she is doing the frog in the pond. Or if you try to tell that to one of the raccoons out there crawling over the fence. Now, the cats, they are a little bit different. They are pretty in touch. They feel. They feel, not necessarily with just their senses, but they feel with their being. That is why they made the sphinx. They are in a place of the present. They are always present.

Chris: Whenever I am really in trauma, my cat does not always sleep with me, but when I am in trauma, she comes up and sleeps with me.

Al M.: What is trauma, isn't that argument?

Corky: Yes. Trauma is an argument. And the cat will come to say just relax, like Osho said. They will come and purr on you. It is a vibration when they put their relaxation on you. They can lay on you and just mellow you right out. They melt you down.

The thing that is really interesting about a cat, is people just feed them and take care of them, and they just lay there all day long. I clean up their poop! All day long, you are their servant, they just lay there, and get taken care of.

Creation has opposites. There is peace and war. There is happiness and sadness. Osho just said last Thursday, that out of your sadness is born an awakening, a new creation itself. Out of your sadness of life, you found many creations haven't you Steve? Have you found a girl over at the yoga center? I didn't think you would. I think you should take pictures of them instead.

Al M.: I think what you are saying is that if you have had all the experiences of the world, everything, you would come to the conclusion that you are saying.

Corky: Of this world. But what if you had the chance to do exactly what you said, but also had a chance to have been having experiences of other worlds in the future, and then you made a decision to come back and help others. Do you think you could become a worker on the pathway of creation? And do you think if you surrendered to becoming a Sekhet boat... that is the boat that goes down the river, it carries the mummy and it also carries the essence of all souls on their way through evolution. Wow there must be a wall for the Sekhet boat, it's painted on the south wall. They found one in Egypt. It was about 60 feet long, and it was in perfect condition. It was buried in perfect condition and when they dug it up they built a museum around it. Ron got to see it.

Ron: They built the museum right next to the pyramid and they didn't move it anywhere.

Corky: How many thousand years old was it? Was it in perfect condition? What kind of message is that, why would somebody bury a boat in front of the sphinx? This big cat that looks like a human, this boat that carries souls up and down the river of life. Maybe to talk about the law of correspondence. Saying that when a soul comes out of the ocean of creation that it flows down the river back to creation. And it can be taken in a divine way.

Al M.: I'm curious. When you die Corky, how many of us are going to take what you say down the river?

Corky: I don't know. But I will be waiting right there and if you call my name, I will be there.

Al M.: Most of us are going to take it down the river and make money off of it.

Corky: I think that is sort of impossible to be honest with you. A lot of people have tried. But it is sort of impossible. Everything is possible, but not probable. That is a difficult one to do. It is possible. But lots of people have tried. All those people who are arguing over Osho's books, all they are doing is arguing over them and what happened is that they may make lots of money but they could end up with a weird hairdo like Donald Trump. You could have all the money in the world and you'd end up with a hairdo like that. My god!

That is really irrelevant, let's go back to going down the river in the Sekhet boat. If you decide to become a worker on creation, we talk about it in the Summum book, you surrender. But it is so difficult for most people to make that leap forward in evolution, to surrender. Because they believe that war and argument is the way to achieve. They may achieve a nice hairdo, they may achieve a mass of wealth of the world, but they have put all of their consciousness into it. They have given away their evolution. They have created a prison in that mass of wealth, and in that creation of the war, that holds their attention so tight that they cannot escape it. Those stories, in all those scriptures are so simple. The meek shall inherit creation. The only reason they are going to inherit creation, is because all the other guys have imprisoned themselves in mammon or the wealth of the world or the buildings or owning things or wanting things or desiring or hoping for things. Better job, better girlfriend, better boyfriend, the bigger house, their way, the way they think it should be, their propensities, they got caught by them.

The cats are trying to talk to you guys. Not in your mind or in words, but in feelings in your essence. In a way that you cannot put in a book. Cami, you need to add this to the book, tonight's class, this is the next version chapter two. They are communicating, or having a communion with you in just the state of their being. The way they are. They are so still. So silent. Because they are in the stillness that this is bringing you. They are in the stillness that this is bringing you.

They are in the stillness that is being given to you. I don't know how you are going to put that in words.

Thank you for going to prison Al, for us. I knew you were going, I didn't dare tell you.

Al M.: I'm glad it's over.

Corky: It's not over. Out here is more of a prison than in there.